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Stan's avatar

One way to look at this is ask what needs to be true for this to be useful and effective.

You can imagine a highly motivated group of relative experts might find it useful. Perhaps as a way to study for math competitions. Some will find trial and error solutions that provide insight and some will find an elegant solution that everyone then takes an interest in.

Outside of that it is hard not to imagine the centrifuge you describe.

So perhaps the proponents believe someone can magic any group of students into such a motivated class or failure to do so is a separate problem they are not addressing here.

Isobel Stevenson's avatar

OK, so is this something else that you're denigrating without having seen it in action? Because that would be kinda intellectually dishonest. You know that, right? If you want to tear it apart after you've done due diligence, then by all means, have at it, but to write about it without trying to appreciate what it's trying to do or what it can do is acting in bad faith. You can't tell what the purpose of the task is by reading the task, so you assume there is no purpose and so you conclude that it's pointless. You are reduced to imagining what teaching this looks like in practice, and instead of going to check it out, you assume it must be a lot of trial and error. But you don't know. But you write about it anyway.

The last time I wrote in your comments was one of the times that you ripped into Building Thinking Classrooms. I remember asking you if you'd actually seen it in action, and suggested that you go take a look before you explain why it can't possibly work. I think I said something about seeing it done well or properly, and then you started talking about the One True Scotsman thing again, when I was simply trying to make the point that there are a lot of people out there who replicate the form of BTC without the function, and you should just watch out for that.

So I'm going to say the same thing again. If you're looking for a low floor/high ceiling task done well, or even adequately, it's probably going to be in a BTC classroom. You should go find one where the teacher knows what she's doing, and try to understand how the lesson unfolds. You may never be convinced that it's a good way to teach math, but at least you will actually know of what you speak.

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